Beste Searcher,
Niemand wil deze toestanden op je vakantie verre van ideaal, maar wat dacht je van het aantal verkeersdoden in Thailand p/j of alleen al tijdens de feestdagen, en maar scheuren op je scooter/motocy tijdens de vakantie zonder helm in korte broek t-shirt & easyshoe(slippers).
Wegblijven uit het specifieke risico gebied, maar bkk heeft nog meerdere plekken.
Beste Jan,
No hard feelings, alleen zorgen.
Je hebt volkomen gelijk m.b.t het verkeer ik ben immers al in Bangkok geweest,Cairo,Jakarta
Het is te gek voor woorden.
Misschien is vliegen een nog groter risico.
Zolang het tot bepaalde zone’s beperkt blijft heb ik er ook geen moeite mee.
Maar nu verspreid het zich en daar maak ik me wel zorgen om.
Het risico dat ik ineens tijdens een taxi rit tussen twee strijdende partijen kom dat vind ik minder.
Engeland heeft trouwens een algeheel negatief reisadvies uitgegeven iets waar de TAT zich rot van geschrokken is.
En de kans dat de taxi chauffeur uit de Isaan komt is 99,9 %.
Maak je niet teveel zorgen typisch Nederlandse gewoonte…:zon02:
Mc.Donalds Silomroad doelwit.
Wat Prha Kaew doelwit.
http://www.bangkokpost.com/news/local/176516/wat-phra-kaew-was-targeted
Of wil men de demonstranten in een kwaad daglicht zetten
Amid protest, Thai Cabinet calls emergency meeting
By RAVI NESSMAN (AP) – 1 hour ago
BANGKOK — Thai officials on Saturday called an emergency Cabinet meeting in the face of unrelenting anti-government street protests that have raised fears of broader civil unrest across the country.
With negotiations between the protesters and the government on hold and hopes for a peaceful end to the standoff dwindling, calls have grown for international mediators to be involved.
Government spokesman Panithan Wattanayagorn said the Cabinet would meet Sunday morning in a special session. Panithan declined to say what the agenda would be, but it was widely expected to focus on the seven-week crisis that has paralyzed parts of Bangkok.
In recent days, pro-establishment protesters have called on the government to declare martial law and crack down on the Red Shirt protesters, whose barricaded camp occupies streets in Bangkok’s commercial center.
The Red Shirts are demanding the government disband Parliament and call elections, and they said Saturday they would ignore any imposition of martial law.
“Even if they announce that we are not going to go home. We are going to stay put,” said Nattawut Saikua, a Red Shirt leader.
At least 27 people have been killed and nearly 1,000 wounded in sporadic violence between protesters and security forces.
Some officials have expressed hopes the protesters will grow weary and go home soon, but Weng Tojirakarn, another Red Shirt leader, said Saturday that reinforcements were coming to increase their presence in the streets of the capital.
“Red Shirts, people from the provinces, are coming in to Bangkok, starting from today. And this time they will stay a long time,” he said.
The Red Shirts, drawn mostly from the rural and urban poor, are demanding the resignation of Prime Minister Abhisit Vejjajiva, saying he came to power through the connivance of Bangkok’s elite bureaucrats and the military.
The International Crisis Group think tank said Thailand’s political system had broken down and expressed fears the standoff could “deteriorate into an undeclared civil war.”
The group appealed for foreign mediation, possibly led by East Timor President Jose Ramos Horta, to encourage both sides to stand down and help prepare for new elections and a government of national unity.
“It is time for Thailand to consider help from international friends to avoid a slide into wider violence. Even the most advanced democracies have accepted this,” the think tank said in a statement.
The government has repeatedly rejected efforts to bring in foreign mediators.
“This is a domestic situation with sensitivities and complexities that the international community may not be fully aware of,” said Panithan.
New York-based Human Rights Watch also called on the protesters and security forces to end the violence.
“All sides need to rein in their supporters, order the attacks to stop and negotiate a political solution before the situation escalates,” said Brad Adams, Asia director at Human Rights Watch.
State Department spokesman P.J. Crowley said Wednesday that U.S. diplomats were “intensively engaged in discussions” with Thai government officials and opposition forces, and EU diplomats said they have met with opposition figures as well.
Foreign Minister Kasit Piromya censured some foreign diplomats for meeting with Red Shirt leaders this week. “We do not want to see that happening again,” Kasit told reporters.
The Red Shirts drew intense criticism in recent days for breaking into a hospital in the protest zone, prompting medical officials to evacuate it of patients.
On Saturday, one of the king’s daughters, Princess Maha Chakri Sirindhorn, went to the hospital to visit the only remaining patient, the head of the Thai Buddhist clergy Supreme Patriarch Nyanasamvara Suvaddhana Mahathera, Thai media reported.
The government has stepped up accusations the protesters were trying to undermine Thailand’s much revered monarchy — which the Red Shirts deny — and said Friday that a grenade attack last month near the Defense Ministry actually targeted a highly sacred Buddhist shrine nearby.
The hospital raid exposed a possible rift among the protest leaders, some of whom tried to make amends by removing barricades blocking the hospital only to be overruled by others who had them restored. On Saturday afternoon, they were again removed.
Cabinet holds emergency meeting on crisis
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The cabinet held an emergency meeting Sunday after a warning that its long-running standoff with anti-government protesters in Bangkok could deteriorate into an “undeclared civil war.”
A Thai Red Shirt anti-government protester monitors police movement from a fortyfied camp in the financial central district of Silom in downtown Bangkok on May 2, 2010. Thailand’s cabinet was set for an emergency meeting on a long-running standoff with anti-government “Red Shirts” after a warning it could deteriorate into an “undeclared civil war.”
Prime Minister Abhisit Vejjajiva said in his weekly television address that the meeting at a military base would focus on rules of engagement for security forces, but sought to reassure the public he had a plan to defuse the crisis.
“I have already decided what steps to take, but I need to make sure it will be successful and have the least negative effect as possible,” Mr Abhisit said.
“I have to make sure that it will be a sustainable solution. It will take time, but there will be effective measures,” he added.
“After I do all of this, I will announce what I have decided to do about demands for parliament’s dissolution.”
Red-shirt protesters led by the anti-government United Front for Democracy against Dictatorship (UDD) have occupied sections of Bangkok since mid-March in their bid to force snap elections, with 27 people killed and nearly 1,000 injured, in the capital’s worst political violence in almost two decades.
Amid the simmering tensions, top think-tank the International Crisis Group (ICG) said Thailand must consider mediation from other countries to avoid a slide into further violence, a step which Abhisit rejected.
“The Thai political system has broken down and seems incapable of pulling the country back from the brink of widespread conflict,” said the ICG in a report released Friday.
“The stand-off in the streets of Bangkok between the government and Red Shirt protesters is worsening and could deteriorate into an undeclared civil war,” it added.
The report suggested forming a neutral negotiation committee with help from international figures such as East Timor President Jose Ramos Horta, a Nobel laureate who recently met Mr Abhisit in Bangkok.
“Many countries are confused and ask why there is no negotiation. I talked to the premier of Timor and I listened to his advice that we need two ways to solve the problem,” Mr Abhisit said in his television address.
“The first is that the government must stop anyone who acts against the law. The second one is the government must not ignore the needs of the people.”
The demonstrations are the latest chapter in years of turmoil pitting the ruling elite against the red-shirts, who say the government came to power illegitimately in 2008.
Many of the protesters come from Thailand’s rural poor and urban working classes and support former prime minister Thaksin Shinawatra, who was ousted in a 2006 coup and now lives overseas to avoid a jail term for corruption.
The demonstrators have faced heavy criticism after about 100 supporters raided Bangkok’s Chulalongkorn hospital Thursday evening in the mistaken belief it sheltered security forces preparing a crackdown.
The red-shirts claim the hospital was used in an April 22 grenade attack, during a standoff between pro- and anti-government supporters, that killed one person and wounded dozens.
The government said the grenades were fired from inside the UDD’s camp – an accusation the movement has denied.
Protest leaders on Saturday slammed management at Chulalongkorn hospital, saying its chaotic evacuation of patients after it was stormed by the red-shirts was a ploy to make the protesters look bad.
Mr Abhisit said Sunday that his government had asked authorities to keep the hospital running, even if it sparked violence.
“We know that operation brings a risk of clashes and losses but the government knows what we have to,” he said.
About 70 bomb and grenade attacks have been carried out by unknown parties in Bangkok since the UDD began the street protests in mid-March, according New York-based Human Rights Watch.
*Bron: Bangkok Post / www.bangkokpost.com *
Wat zou er uit het crisis beraad komen?
Carck Down of de dialoog met de Reds en een compromis om het kabinet te ontbinden?
wordt een lastige het leger wil geen ontbinding kabinet want in sept zijn er weer benoemingen van legerposten en ze willen niet dat de rooien dat doen dus het is of tijdrekken of crackdown
mmm daar heb je een punt.
Wij gaan naar New York hoor ik wel eens om me heen,daar is zojuist een bom auto ontmanteld.
Tja,…
Ik denk het laatste,zoals het nu is kan het niet slechter,Thailand zal zijn blazoen moeten poetsen.
Nu is het al verschijdende weken(maanden)in het negatief daglicht gesteld,het is niet goed voor de economie en het toerisme.
Ik dacht(kan het mis hebben)dat er verkiezingen zijn in Oktober inplaatst van september.
dat was geloof ik het voorstel vd PM aan de rooien maar die willen dat niet.
het leger vind verkiezingen in okt okay want in sept moet het kabinet weer de shuffle vd posten in het leger doen, en het leger wil niet dat dat door de rooien gebeurt
Na 9/11 is alles anders geworden…dus lekker op :vak02: naar Thailand.
een heel goed idee/advies dus iedereen pak het >>> en kom naar thailand:zon02:
Voorlopig kom ik >>> en anders tja …laatste dagen Vietnam i.p.v Bangkok.
Ik heb de tijd
Tja ik begrijp dat mensen liever andere omstandigheden willen hebben op de vakantie maar tegenwoordig kan er van alles gebeuren en meestal ook onverwacht, in eigen land of niet eens zover hier vandaan.
Een paar jaar geleden had niemand nog stil gestaan bij een coördinator terrorisme bestrijding, of dat je rustig in de trein zit bij Madrid …etc.
Dan maar nog niet de ETA of IRA perikelen erbij halen van jaren geleden…
Ik moet helaas nog 5 maanden wachten maar de E-ticket’s liggen al in de kast.
>>>:vak02:>>>:vak02:>>>:vak02::vak01:>>>:vak02::
en hoelang ga je dan in LOS verblijven?
Hoeveel koffers neem je mee of zonnebrand of familie leden gezien het aantal vliegtuigen.
Staat natuurlijk voor de maanden te gaan,
Voor moi nog >>>>>>cheer
**Harde Taal !
**Als je dit verklaart tegenover de buitenlandse pers dan wordt het een bloedig treffen,
Thai premier says Bangkok zone occupied by protesters will be cleared
Updated 08:35 PM May 02, 2010
BANGKOK (AP) - Thailand's prime minister says the government is preparing to clear an area of Bangkok defended by thousands of anti-government protesters, seeking to end a crisis which has virtually paralyzed the country for nearly eight weeks.
Many Thais have grown increasingly frustrated with the stalemate, which has claimed the lives of at least 27 people, cost the country tens of millions of dollars, and sparked concerns of a civil unrest flare-up.
In an interview Sunday with several foreign journalists to be nationally televised, Prime Minister Abhisit Vejjajiva said they had given people enough time to leave the occupied zone and were now in the process of sealing off and cutting off support before they moved in.
In an emergency meeting Sunday, the Cabinet approved special funding for the police to contain the demonstrators.
22 dagen, begin eerst even 1 dag in BKK bij een goede relatie dan te samen per auto naar Chiang mai (Doi su Tep) e.o, dan even afzakken naar HuaHin naar onze Baan voor een paar dagen, we gaan afsluiten op vermoedelijk Koh Chang als het weer daar goed is zo eind Oktober, we vliegen op 4 november weer terug naar Nederland pak dan de laatste 2/3 dagen nog weer ff BKK, ik kan haast niet zonder die stad verplaatsen in een neutrale kleur qau T-shirt.
Back to Google News Thai premier says protesters will be cleared
By DENIS D. GRAY (AP) – 22 minutes ago
BANGKOK — Thailand’s prime minister said Sunday the government was preparing to clear an area of Bangkok defended by thousands of anti-government protesters, seeking to end a crisis which has virtually paralyzed the capital.
Many Thais have grown increasingly frustrated with the stalemate, which has dragged on for nearly eight weeks, claiming the lives of at least 27 people and costing the country tens of millions of dollars. It has sparked concerns of a flare-up of civil unrest.
“We are sending a clear signal that we have given people enough time to leave (the occupied zone). We are now in the process of sealing off and cutting off support before we actually move in,” Prime Minister Abhisit Vejjajiva said in an interview with several foreign journalists to be nationally televised.
Thousands of so-called Red Shirt protesters have occupied a barricaded encampment in the commercial heart of Bangkok, centered on its most upmarket shopping district, forcing the closure of several malls and hotels.
Abhisit declined to elaborate on an earlier announced plan to end the crisis which he said did not include the declaration of martial law. In an emergency meeting Sunday, the Cabinet approved special funding for the police to contain the demonstrators.
“My belief is that the majority of the people want the protest to end. Increasingly their patience is running out. This is a situation we have to handle,” he said in the interview.
The protesters, mostly from the rural and urban poor, view the government as an illegitimate puppet of Bangkok’s elite and the military, are demanding Abhisit resign, dissolve Parliament and call new elections.
Abhisit has rejected the call for quick elections and publicly suspended talks with the protesters but says he still hopes a political solution will persuade the Red Shirts to leave.
Speaking at a closely guarded military camp on the city’s outskirts, Abhisit gave no indication when any operation against the entrenched protesters would be launched. But he said the demonstrators, who include a large number of women and children, would be given prior warning.
“I can say that we continue to exercise restraint and patience and the first, best solution is one that does not involve violence,” he said.
In a small concession, the demonstrators on Sunday shifted their tire barricades away from a hospital on the edge of their encampment in a move intended to allow the medical facility to reopen.
Abhisit said earlier Sunday he was reluctant to give in to demands from a group of pro-establishment protesters who have called for a declaration of martial law.
“So far, from what we have discussed, we (the government and the army) think that the situation doesn’t warrant martial law,” he said in his weekly television broadcast.
The Red Shirts said they would ignore any declaration of martial law anyway.
“Even if they announce that, we are not going to go home, we are going to stay put,” said Nattawut Saikua, a Red Shirt leader.
The Red Shirts drew intense criticism last week after raiding Chulalongkorn Hospital on the edge of their protest site, prompting medical officials to evacuate it of patients.
On Sunday, the demonstrators dismantled the barricade blocking access to the hospital and rebuilt it about 50 yards (meters) away, on the other side of the entrance to the facility. Police then used a crane to assemble a short barrier of concrete blocks in front of the new barricade, effectively fortifying the protest camp.
Maj. Gen. Vichai Sangparpai, a top police official, said the blocks were intended to keep the protesters away from the hospital, which was guarded Sunday by large groups of police officers.
Nattawut said the Red Shirt raid on the hospital was a mistake and offered an apology.
Since the Red Shirts moved into Bangkok in mid-March, there have been several clashes between protesters and security forces. With negotiations between the protesters and the government on hold and hopes for a peaceful end to the standoff dwindling, calls have grown for international mediation.
The International Crisis Group think tank said Saturday that Thailand’s political system had broken down and expressed fears the standoff could “deteriorate into an undeclared civil war.”
But Abhisit, in the interview, said that only in three or four of the country’s provinces was there “a (protest) movement in parallel with Bangkok that has to be handled. The rest of the country is well under control.”