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Pro-gov’t Thais Rally against Early House Dissolution in Bangkok
2010-04-24 22:58:33 Xinhua Web Editor: Han Yueling

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The pro-government “various-color shirt” people, who have opposed the early-House dissolution, staged rallies on Saturday in the Thai capital of Bangkok.
The rally started from 7:00 a.m.at a park on the eastern outskirts of Bangkok and the participants chanted songs and waved the national flags, Thai News Agency reported.
The group, which has been led by Mr. Tul Sitthisomwong of Bangkok’s Chulalongkorn University, condemned the ongoing anti- government protest, which has been held from March 12.
After that, the “various-color shirt” people shifted to Jatujak Market in Bangkok to hold another rally at 4:00 p.m.
The “various-color shirts” vowed they would hold their rally to show their support for the government everyday until the anti- government protesters end their mass rally.
Also, the “various-color shirt” group plans to stage a mass rally on April 30 at two separate places in Bangkok.
The anti-government protesters have been pressuring Prime Minister Abhisit Vejjajiva to “immediately” dissolve the lower House and hold a new general election as they have viewed that apart from the House dissolution, there is no other solution to the ongoing political conflict.
But, the “various-color shirts” have opposed the early House dissolution since they believe it would negatively affect continuity of the coalition government’s economic stimulus measures.
Prime Minister Abhisit has echoed the “various-color shirts’” view, saying that the government has been listening to proposed solutions to the country’s ongoing political conflict from several other social sections.
“The government is considering (political) views from several social sections as I think the society wants to see decision making concerning politics, including House dissolution, to be based on the national interest,” Abhisit said.
The solution to the country’s problem must be done for the benefit of the majority of the Thai people, "not just for the “red shirts,” Abhisit said.

Hier lopen wij zeker even naar binnen, misschien kunnen zij ons helpen met de overige 12 dagen te vullen…strand, olifantrijden of iets anders?

Het is voor ons (gezin met twee kinderen: 10 en 11 jaar) voor de eerste keer dat wij naar Thailand toe gaan. Vandaar dat wij de gewelddadige demonstraties best angstig vinden!

Bedankt voor de tip betreft “Green Wood Travel”.

Dat kan ik me wel voorstellen, vooral als je met 2 kinderen gaat. MAAAAAR probeer jullie niet al teveel zorgen te maken. De demonstraties zijn beperkt tot een klein gebied en echt niet gericht tegen toeristen. Paar dagen terug zat ik zelf nog in Bangkok, danwel niet met jonge kinderen, maar wel met een oude vader en moeder ;), en er is geen moment geweest dat we ons op welke manier dan ook onveilig hebben gevoeld. Ik heb zelfs helemaal niks van de roodhemden en welke demonstratie dan ook gemerkt.

Bangkok is mijn favoriete stad en als het aan mij zou liggen, zou ik vanavond zo weer terugvliegen vanaf Phuket !

Helaas zijn er ook nog toeristen die de roodhemden op gaan zoeken. Want ja, dan heb je natuurlijk wel wat te vertellen natuurlijk als je weer thuis bent ! Nee, deze mensenmassa’s gewoon mijden en plaatsen opzoeken waar deze demonstranten zich niet bevinden is natuurlijk gewoon het beste.

Waar kunnen we nog meer heen waar het (relatief) veilig is; we
willen nl. kleding kopen c.q. laten maken juist in Bangkok. Dus zonder roodhemden tegen te komen.

Een populaire shoppingmall is Mahboonkrong (beter bekend als MBK). In de omgeving bevinden zich wel roodhemden (rondom de exclusieve shoppingmall Siam Paragon), maar als je met de skytrain gaat, zal je hier niks van merken (tenzij de situatie komende dagen verandert, dus houd het nieuws goed in de gaten). Mijn vriendin en ouders zijn hier afgelopen maandag & dinsdag nog geweest en hebben niks van de roodhemden gemerkt.

PM rejects compromise deal to end protests

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[li]Published: 24/04/2010 at 11:51 AM [/li][li]Online news: Breakingnews[/li][/ul]Political crisis plunged back into deadlock Saturday after the government rejected a compromise offer from red-shirted demonstrators who said they were now braced for a crackdown.

Hopes for an agreement to end weeks of protests, which have been punctuated by deadly street clashes, evaporated as Prime Minister Abhisit Vejjajiva ruled out the “Red Shirts” offer to disperse if polls were called in 30 days.

“No, I reject it. Because they use violence and intimidation I cannot accept this,” Abhisit said of the proposal which would have seen a ballot held in 90 days and was a softening of earlier demands for snap polls.

“The dissolution (of parliament) must be done for the benefit of the entire country, not just for the Red Shirts, and it must be done at the right time,” he told reporters.

In an immediate response the Reds said they would now prepare for a military crackdown to clear their heavily fortified rally encampment which has paralysed Bangkok’s upscale district for three weeks.

“Abhisit has ordered a crackdown on protesters within 48 hours, that is the information I have learned,” said Reds leader Nattawut Saikuar.

Nattawut did not say where the information came from but other Reds leaders said earlier Saturday they had learned from sympathisers in the army that troops were being mobilised despite ongoing negotiations.

Nattawut said the Reds would strip off the symbols of their allegiance – the red T-shirts and other garb they have sported for weeks – to help them fight back against the government.

He said they would stick to a policy of non-violence, but other Reds figures speaking on a stage at their sprawling camp in the heart of Bangkok promised a “guerrilla war” against the government.

The United Nations and foreign governments have urged both sides on Thailand’s political divide to find a peaceful resolution, after two bouts of street violence this month left 26 dead and hundreds injured.

“The 30-day concession is just aimed at getting the attention of foreign media. I don’t think it is the answer to the problems,” Abhisit said.

“Tomorrow everything will become more clear when I and the army chief will jointly appear on my weekly television address.”

Fears of a crackdown escalated earlier this week amid warnings from the military that protesters would face live weapons fire in any new clashes.

Army chief General Anupong Paojinda toned down the rhetoric Friday, saying that the use of force was no solution to the crisis, which has damaged Thailand’s economy and its reputation as the “Land of Smiles”.

“The best thing is to create understanding among the people. The army’s job now is to take care of the people, and not allow Thais to attack each other,” he said.

Despite Anupong’s dovish stance, army spokesman Colonel Sunsern Kaewkumnerd kept up the pressure Saturday, saying an offensive could still be launched to target Reds hardliners who he referred to as “terrorists”.

“At the appropriate time, it would not be a dispersal, it would be a crackdown on those terrorists. At the moment the conditions are not right but I’m convinced that at some point we can crush them all.”

Mr Abhisit condemned fresh violence on Thursday that saw a series of grenade blasts tear through a pro-government rally, saying the attacks, which left one dead and scores injured, “aimed to kill ordinary people”.

Tensions have been high since April 10 clashes, sparked by a failed attempt to dislodge protesters from their original rally base in Bangkok’s historic district, which triggered clashes that killed 25 and injured 800.

They condemn Abhisit’s government as illegitimate because it came to power in a 2008 parliamentary vote after a court ruling ousted allies of ex-premier Thaksin Shinawatra.

The reds are mostly rural poor and urban working class supporters of Thaksin, who now lives overseas to avoid a jail sentence for corruption.

And the red shirts’ point of view seemed to be supported Saturday by Burma opposition leader Aung San Suu Kyi who said the crisis shows that a constitution drawn up by the military can never deliver stability.

Burma’s military junta produced a new constitution as part of a “road map to democracy” which includes elections due to be held later this year.

“A new government coming to power under a constitution drawn up by the military will never be stable,” NLD spokesman Nyan Win cited her as saying.

“Thaksin was an elected person. The military seized the power from an elected person.”

*Bron: Bangkok Post / www.bangkokpost.com *

De Birmese oppositieleidster Aung San Suu Kyi kan zich wel vinden in de standpunten van de roodhemden (zie artikel hierboven). En daar zit natuurlijk wel wat in en is niet helemaal verrassend…
Abhisit is niet gekozen door het volk, maar aan de macht gekomen nadat het leger ingreep.
Aung San Suu Kyi was destijds ook democratisch gekozen, maar nooit aan de macht gekomen vanwege de Birmese junta en sindsdien heeft ze ‘huisarrest’.

Dat zal de sfeer niet bevorderen.
Waarschijnlijk binnen 48 uur opnieuw een escalatie?

We wachten wel weer af.

Ik ben dan wel geen oppositieleider maar ik kan me ook wel vinden in de stanpunten want hoe je het ook wend of keerd er is in deze kwestie zoals jezelf aangeeft niets democratisch besloten hoe men uit eindelijk aan de macht is gekomen.

Vind het alleen jammerlijk en teleurstellend dat het allemaal zo moet lopen, eigenlijk overbodig in een democratie laten we eerlijk zijn en wat dat betreft zal het nog wel een tijdje een bananen-republiek blijven, maar misschien is dat ook wel een beetje waarom het land me ook zo erg aantrekt, je weet tenminste waar je aan toe bent terwijl het hier(Nederland) wel eens de omgekeerde wereld lijkt.

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:chin:Kan je niet de laatste 3 dagen bkk doen misschien is het dan al weer rustig in bkk :thailand::cambodia:

Het Hotel is al geboekt en volgens de voorwaarden niet omboekbaar. We wachten wel af of er opnieuw escalaties zijn. We vermijden iig de demonstraties. Hopelijk doen de taxichauffeurs dat ook???

In het aller ergste geval reizen we meteen door naar koh samui of een ander mooi strand. Maar we gaan er juist heen voor de bezienswaardigheden en eigenlijk niet voor twee weken strand (dat is dan wel erg duur voor twee weken strand).

:chin:Vast een een hele fijne tijd toegewenst in dit heerlijke land
ja blijf vooral uit de buurt van de demonstraties
succes:THAILAND::cambodia:

Prince Palace,is toch niet in de geburen van de demonstraties(roodhemden)?Ik snap het niet,al dat angstig gedoe!!
Natuurlijk reis je wel met kinderen,maar als je “eventueel” een betoging “moest” tegenkomen,dan gaat je een blokje om.
Dat je waakzaam bent,dat begrijp ik,maar je moet het ook niet al te zwart bekijken.
Bangkok =praktische 90% veilig om te vertoeven(buiten die éne zone(finaciele wijk)
Ikzelf zou geen moment twijfelen om Bangkok aan te doen,als ik in je plaats was,Jenny!
Nog een goede reis naar het land van de glimlach!

Kijk eens op deze site o.a de gevechten met het leger gefilmd door een canadees.

bron: Bangkok Post

Theo

Dat was weer duidelijk van je, Jan. En nu maar hopen dat het niet uit de tengels gaat lopen.Daar is niemand bij gebaat.

Ton

Of het rustig blijft ?
Hier wordt toch over geweld gesproken.

Het duurt te lang naar een ieders zin.

Thai PM says he underestimated protesters
(AP) – 3 hours ago
BANGKOK — Thailand’s embattled prime minister acknowledged he initially underestimated the protesters who have occupied central Bangkok for weeks, but he offered no initiatives Sunday to end the country’s prolonged, sometimes bloody political crisis.
Prime Minister Abhisit Vejjajiva spoke in a nationally televised interview a day after the breakdown of talks with the protesters — who are demanding new elections — dashed hopes that a peaceful way could be found to end the stalemate.
Clashes have killed at least 26 people and wounded nearly 1,000 others since the “Red Shirt” protesters began occupying Bangkok’s commercial center more than a month ago, closing down five-star hotels and upscale shopping malls and costing merchants millions of dollars per day.
“The solution process is ongoing but may not please everyone. The government, and not only the military, is preparing to be ready for what would lead to the next level,” Abhisit said in a short statement to the interviewer. He did not elaborate during follow-up questions.
The program went off the air briefly, with the prime minister later blaming the disruption on “ill-intentioned people.” Thailand’s police force, army and other agencies are believed to be infiltrated by Red Shirt supporters, but it was unclear whether the opposition somehow disrupted the television signal.
Appearing with Abhisit, Thai army chief Gen. Anupong Paochinda said the crisis must be solved by legal means and denied there were any significant rifts within the military.
“We won’t use violence but as I’ve said earlier, the situation has escalated toward violence so the military will have to adjust its measures,” the army chief said. “As the PM said, if there is anything needed to bring back peace, we’ll do it.”
While stopping short of accusing the Red Shirts, Abhisit said that rocket-propelled grenades fired in Thursday’s violence in the heart of the city’s financial district were launched from inside a protest site by “terrorists.” At least one person was killed Thursday, and 25 others died April 10 during clashes as soldiers unsuccessfully tried to clear the protesters from one of their camps.
Abhisit said that he initially underestimated the protest movement.
“I admit, I didn’t expect to see such a force ready to go this far,” he said.
The conflict has been characterized by some as class warfare, pitting the country’s vast rural poor against an elite that has traditionally held power.
The protesters, who claim the government took power illegitimately, had previously demanded Parliament be dissolved immediately, while the government said it would disband parliament in six months.
The Red Shirts softened their stance Friday, offering the government a proposed compromise of 30 days to disband the legislature in a move they said was aimed at preventing further bloodshed.
Red Shirt leaders said that if no compromise was reached they would continue their demonstrations in the Bangkok commercial district that they have transformed into a protest camp with barricades of tires and bamboo stakes, paralyzing business and daily life in the city.
Many in the capital have grown weary of the confrontation and the disruptions, and thousands of residents gathered at a park Saturday to demand the protests end. “Please stop the mob — I want a normal life,” read one sign.
The Red Shirts consist mainly of rural supporters of former Prime Minister Thaksin Shinawatra and pro-democracy activists who opposed the military coup that ousted him in 2006. They believe Abhisit’s government is illegitimate because it came to power under military pressure through a parliamentary vote after disputed court rulings ousted two elected pro-Thaksin governments.
Since the beginning of the crisis, Abhisit’s government has threatened to curtail the protests but has failed to follow through. Military units from the 200,000-strong army have been routed in several confrontations with the crudely armed demonstrators. The police have often melted when faced with determined protesters.
Copyright © 2010 The Associated Press. All rights reserved.

Thaise premier wil centrum Bangkok met geweld heroveren

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De Thaise premier Abhisit Vejjajiva is van plan om het centrum van de hoofdstad Bangkok met geweld opnieuw in handen te krijgen. Dat heeft hij vandaag gezegd tijdens een televisietoespraak, geflankeerd door de chef van het leger.

“Er komt een operatie om Ratchaprasong te heroveren, maar we kunnen niets zeggen over de werkwijze, de maatregelen en het tijdstip, omdat die van verschillende dingen afhangen”, verklaarde Abhisit.

Aanbod verworpen
Legerleider Anupong Paochinda had vrijdag het gebruik van geweld om de demonstranten uiteen te drijven nog uitgesloten. Ook de “roodhemden”, die het centrum van Bangkok sinds drie weken bezetten, zeggen dat een militaire operatie nakend is.

De Thaise premier verwierp zaterdag een aanbod van de antiregeringsmanifestanten, die zich bereid hadden verklaard een dialoog op te starten als de regering ermee zou instemmen binnen dertig dagen het parlement te ontbinden. (afp/ka)

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Info:Metro-diensten:
Underground trains back on track

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Subway operations will return to normal today with service to all stations, Bangkok Metro Plc Co says.
The line will operate from 6am to midnight to all 18 stations, the firm said yesterday. Silom station will remain open only until 7.30pm.
Bangkok Metro halted services to Silom after grenade attacks on Thursday night killed one woman and left 80 injured as they were going about their business or rallying in opposition to the United Front for Democracy against Dictatorship.

Thai Protesters Ask Backers to Block Police as Crackdown Looms

					April 26, 2010, 1:38 AM EDT 			 				 					 						
				
		 					 					 						By Daniel Ten Kate and Suttinee Yuvejwattana
  April 26 (Bloomberg) -- Thai protesters bracing  for a military offensive on their Bangkok encampment called on rural  supporters to stop soldiers and police from entering the capital,  potentially broadening their standoff with the government.
  Sympathizers in the country’s northern,  northeastern and central provinces should block authorities from trying  to enter the city, leader Nattawut Saikuar said today in Bangkok. The  red-shirted movement has occupied a central business district for 23  days, shutting down businesses, hotels and bank branches.
  “We will fight back against the government by  using peaceful tactics,” Nattawut said from the group’s main stage.
  The development may risk skirmishes such as one  on April 21, when protesters blocked a train in the northeast carrying  soldiers. Thailand’s SET Index is down 2.7 percent this month.
  Prime Minister Abhisit Vejjajiva called off peace  talks and pledged to disperse demonstrators yesterday in a nationally  televised address with army chief Anupong Paojinda at his side. Abhisit  two days ago dismissed the protest group’s offer to hold an election  three months from now, a change from their demand for an immediate  nationwide vote.
  About 80,000 police and soldiers were preparing  to retake the site this morning, the protest group said in a text  message.
                       Net Selling
  Foreigners on April 23 sold a net 2.33 billion  baht ($72.3 million) of stock, the most net selling in five months. A  grenade attack the previous night on an elevated train line killed one  and injured at least 78 people. On April 10, a failed attempt to  disperse the group claimed 25 lives. The government and protesters blame  each other for the deaths.
  “Concern the protests will be prolonged has  increased speculation that foreign investors will pull funds out of  Thailand, dragging down stocks and the baht,” said Tohru Nishihama, an  economist at Dai-ichi Life Research Institute Inc. in Tokyo. “Investors  will worry more about the impact on the domestic economy as the chaotic  situation continues.”
  The SET Index gained 1.5 percent as of 12:10 p.m.  in Bangkok, tracking gains in other Asian benchmarks.
  Government agencies may revise their economic  forecasts as tourists cancel trips and foreign companies delay  investments, Abhisit said yesterday. Japanese investors, Thailand’s  biggest source of foreign direct investment, have delayed plans to  expand factories and plants in Thailand, Amata Corp. Pcl, the nation’s  largest industrial developer, said last week.
                     Bamboo Barricades
  The demonstrators, who largely support fugitive  ex-leader Thaksin Shinawatra, reinforced bamboo barricades with  seven-high stacks of rubber tires that were covered in small strips of  cloth. Several oil canisters sat behind one of the walls, which block  off an area roughly the size of New York’s Central Park.
  Demonstration leaders told supporters to stop  wearing the red shirts that have symbolized their protests to avoid  being stopped at police checkpoints. Protesters in provincial areas  blocked several roads to prevent security forces from reaching the  capital, state-run news agency MCOT reported.
  A crackdown on protesters that carries a high  death toll may lead to a civil war, protest leader Weng Tojirakarn said  in an interview yesterday. The group has no weapons and isn’t affiliated  with sympathizers who may use violence, he said.
   “This time maybe 76 provinces all over the  country, they will do guerrilla warfare or civil war” if protesters are  dispersed, Weng said. The situation would be similar to the Muslim  separatist violence in Thailand’s southernmost provinces that has killed  more than 4,000 people since 2004, he said.
                       ‘Very Clear’
  “Our proposal was very clear cut that we would  like to stop more loss, death or injuries,” Weng said. “So when Abhisit  rejected that it immediately implied that the government would like to  start killing again.”
  A rival group that took over Bangkok’s airports  in 2008 to elevate Abhisit to power will meet today. The People’s  Alliance for Democracy aims to pressure the premier into reshuffling  military or police officials if they are not responding to orders,  spokesman Parnthep Pourpongpan said by phone yesterday.
  “We want the protesters to know that there are so  many people against them,” he said.
  Army chief Anupong said yesterday the army  remains unified and would follow government policy. Ex-soldiers within  the protest group may be responsible for the violent clashes earlier  this month, he said.
  Troops remain near the protest site at Silom  Road, a commercial artery. Buildings near the protest area hold offices  for Wells Fargo & Co., HSBC Holdings and Rolls-Royce Group Plc.
  Thousands of protesters walked through the site  yesterday, dancing to music, listening to speeches, playing carnival  games and watching videos featuring Thaksin, whose ouster in a 2006 coup  led to the current instability. Demonstrators hung clothes outside the  Grand Hyatt Erawan hotel and raw sewage leaked from portable toilets set  up near the Four Seasons.
  Pro-Thaksin parties have won the past four  elections on a platform of improved health care and cheap loans. Abhisit  took power in a December 2008 parliamentary vote after a court  disbanded the ruling party for election fraud. His Democrat party hasn’t  won a nationwide vote since 1992.

–With assistance from Anuchit Nguyen, Yumi Teso and Supunnabul Suwannakij in Bangkok. Editors: Patrick Harrington, Tony Jordan
To contact the reporters on this story: Suttinee Yuvejwattana in Bangkok at suttinee1@bloomberg.net Daniel Ten Kate in Bangkok at dtenkate@bloomberg.net
To contact the editor responsible for this story: Tony Jordan at tjordan3@bloomberg.net
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** Thaise geelhemden eisen staat van beleg **

  BANGKOK -   De Thaise geelhemden, die op de hand van de huidige regering zijn,  hebben  maandag geëist dat de staat van beleg wordt afgekondigd. Op die manier  kan  het leger ingezet worden tegen de roodhemden, die al weken in de straten  van  Bangkok protesteren tegen de overheid.  


„De premier weet dat in deze situatie militaire druk nodig is, omdat het  niet  mogelijk is het probleem politiek op te lossen”, aldus een woordvoerder  van  de geelhemden, de organisatie die eerder bekend stond als de PAD. Als de   autoriteiten niet ingaan op de eis, zullen de geelhemden zelf de orde  herstellen, aldus de zegsman.  

De geelhemden zullen beginnen met vreedzame protesten, maar kunnen „de maatregelen verzwaren als de situatie niet verbetert”. De demonstraties van de geelhemden kunnen leiden tot problemen, omdat de roodhemden ook met duizenden op straat zijn.
Zaterdag wees premier Abhisit Vejjajiva een compromisvoorstel van de roodhemden af. De premier wilde geen verkiezingen uitroepen in ruil voor een einde aan de betogingen. Abhisit verwierp het voorstel omdat de roodhemden geweld gebruiken. Door de betogingen zijn in de afgelopen weken al zeker 26 mensen om het leven gekomen.
De roodhemden willen de in 2006 door het leger afgezette oud-premier Thaksin Shinawatra terug aan de macht. De oppositie heeft veel steun onder arme plattelandsbewoners. Ook intellectuelen in de steden, die meer democratie en minder invloed van het leger op de politiek willen, steunen Thaksin, die in ballingschap leeft.
De geelhemden, die de regering steunen, worden beschouwd als aanhangers van het establishment in de hoofdstad Bangkok. Zij hebben banden met invloedrijke zakenlieden en met adviseurs van de koning.