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                **Prasopsuk: Peace talk attempt fails**

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Senate Speaker Prasopsuk Boondej said his attempt to arrange peace talks this morning had failed.
He was scheduled to meet red-shirt leaders at the Ratchaprasong intersection rally site at 9am today to move ahead with the planned peace talks.
“It was planned that after discussion with leaders of the United front for Democracy against Dictatorship, I would talk to the prime minister on the phone to report the progress.
"But the attempt had failed because I could not reach both UDD leaders and the prime minister,” Mr Prasopsuk said in a television interview on Wednesday morning.

Thai army advances on Bangkok protest site

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The army is trying to break through barricades Anti-government red-shirt protesters have exchanged fire with army units trying to break up their camp in the centre of the Thai capital, Bangkok.
Troops have fired shots and tear gas grenades, as thick black smoke billowed over the protest site. Five protesters are reported injured.
At least, 37 people have been killed in clashes since last week.
The government insists talks are only possible if the protesters first leave the streets.
“We are still ready to talk. My line is open but protest has to end first,” said government advisor Korbsak Sabhavasau.
The military made loudspeaker announcements on Wednesday morning: “Please leave the site immediately. Officials are about to conduct an operation.”
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On Tuesday, red-shirt leaders had accepted the offer of fresh talks to be overseen by senior Senate figures, but they floundered on the government insistance that the red-shirts must leave the camp prior to talks.
The two sides have been trading increasingly bitter accusations in recent days.
The government accuses hard-liners within the red camp of using women and children as shields. At a news conference on Tuesday the military showed footage of what it said was a protester holding a baby over a barricade.
The red-shirts, meanwhile, accuse government troops of firing indiscriminately on them, although the army said troops were firing live rounds only in self-defence.
Late on Monday, the United Nations called on the protesters to “step back from the brink” and urged the government troops to exercise restraint.
Sporadic violence RED-SHIRT PROTEST

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But several thousand protesters remained inside the barricaded camp in the centre of Bangkok in continued defiance of government demands to leave.
Schools and government offices remained closed, and underground and elevated train services were suspended.
The government has extended the public holiday until Friday to allow more time to resolve the crisis - which has seen gunfire and explosions at a number of sites around the protest camp.
The red-shirts have been protesting in Bangkok since 14 March. They are currently occupying the shopping district, forcing hotels and shops to close and affecting the city’s economy.
The protesters are a loose coalition of left-wing activists, democracy campaigners and mainly rural supporters of ousted leader Thaksin Shinawatra, who has lived overseas since he was convicted of conflict of interest.
They are demanding fresh polls because they say the government - which came to power through a parliamentary deal rather than an election - is illegitimate.
Are you in Thailand? What is your reaction to what is happening in the capital right now? What is the best way out of the conflict? Send us your views using the form below.bron:http://www.bbcworld.com

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Clashes between anti-government protesters and the military have continued in the Thai capital Bangkok, with the red-shirts deploying improvised weapons to defend their makeshift camp.
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Others have fashioned rockets to shoot firecrackers in the direction of the military.

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Thai troops enter protesters’ area

From Dan Rivers, CNN
May 18, 2010 10:30 p.m. EDT

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Bangkok, Thailand (CNN) – Military troops on Wednesday morning began entering a park in central Bangkok, where thousands of opposition protesters have been camped out in defiance of a government order to vacate the area.
Armored personnel carriers were seen smashing into bamboo and tire barricades lining Lumpini Park, the site of the main demonstration area for the so-called Red Shirt protesters. Soldiers were also seen shooting sporadically as they entered the northwest edge of the park.
The large show of force appeared to be the beginning of a large military operation to root out remaining protesters two days after a government-issued deadline expired with many Red Shirts still holding ground.
“This will be the last operation by the government,” Thai senator Lertrat Rattanwanich said on local television. “It is impossible to avoid the loss.”
A CNN correspondent positioned on a building overlooking the park said it appeared that most of the protesters had dispersed by the time the troops entered around 8:30 a.m. Wednesday (9:30 p.m. Tuesday ET). The park had been housing as many as 5,000 protesters just a day earlier.
At least four people were injured in the initial crackdown, medical officials said.
Several hundred troops began amassing just as dawn broke over the city. It was the largest movement of forces since clashes broke out last Thursday between opposition protesters and government security officials.

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The troops, many of whom were armed, were seen walking in a long column and carrying razor wire and fire extinguishers near the park where the protesters have been launching demonstrations.
Armored personnel carriers also were spotted near the protest site, and gunfire could be heard nearby.
A large plume of black smoke billowed into the sky from one of three large tire fires the opposition was using as shields.
Local television reports said protesters were being told to seek shelter at a nearby temple if they were concerned about the growing troop presence.
At least 36 people have been killed since clashes intensified Thursday.
The violence prompted the United Nations’ top human rights official to implore anti-government protesters and government officials to resume talks.
Satit Wongnongtaey, the Thai prime minister’s office spokesman, said negotiations can be held when the opposition, the United Front for Democracy Against Dictatorship, ends its protest.
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“I can confirm that the government has always wanted to talk, but it has been let down by the UDD, due to the intervention of a mastermind abroad,” said Satit, who didn’t identify the person.
The opposition members, also known as Red Shirts, support former Prime Minister Thaksin Shinawatra, who was ousted in a 2006 bloodless military coup.
The capital was notably calmer Tuesday. But after more than five days of violent standoffs, debris and piles of tires littered battle-scarred streets, and the sound of gunfire still regularly punctuated the air.
Police spokesman Col. Songphol Watanachai told reporters Tuesday that police had seized 9,021 tires from the city’s streets. Burning tires have been used by protesters to create shields of black smoke during recent clashes.
Songphol said police had arrested and were interrogating a Red Shirt protester who was a close aide to Maj. Gen. Khattiya Sawasdipol, better known as Seh Daeng – a renegade leader of a violent anti-government faction who died this week after being shot in the head by a sniper.
As troops continued their crackdown on protesters, Amnesty International criticized the government’s approach.
Timeline of Thailand’s political crisis
Benjamin Zawacki, the organization’s Thailand specialist, told CNN that 35 of the people killed since Thursday were unarmed, including a 17-year-old boy and two medics.
“Our concern is that the government is using live ammunition or live rounds preemptively, rather than as a last resort, and using them against persons who are unarmed and present no credible threat to the soldiers or anyone else,” he said.
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But government officials maintained that they were following rules of engagement. Troops only use live bullets when first attacked by terrorists with war weapons, Col. Sansern Kaewkamnerd told reporters.
Two main groups of anti-government demonstrators have been demanding that Prime Minister Abhisit Vejjajiva dissolve the lower house of Parliament and call new elections: the Red Shirts, whose leaders claim that protesters are peaceful, and the Black Shirts, who advocate a more violent approach.
What are the protests about?
The government ordered all demonstrators to leave their protest site by 3 p.m. Monday, but thousands continued to hold their ground.
“As the latest government deadline passes, there is a high risk that the situation could spiral out of control,” UN High Commissioner for Human Rights Navi Pillay said Monday.
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“To prevent further loss of life, I appeal to the protesters to step back from the brink, and the security forces to exercise maximum restraint in line with the instructions given by the government. Ultimately, this situation can only be resolved by negotiation.”
The Ministry of Public Health reported that 65 people have died and more than 1,000 have been wounded since the Red Shirt anti-government protesters began flooding the streets of Bangkok on March 12 to demand new elections.bron:http://www.cnnnews.com

channel NewsAsia 19/05 om 10:15 Th time

De militaire operatie zou de ganse dag doorgaan.
Het zou erom gaan het feitelijke basiskamp voor 100% te omsingelen.

De redshirts verwerpen de vraag om zich over te geven.

Frank

Militairen zijn het rode kamp ingetrokken, tanks zijn door de barricade gegaan, alles in live te volgen op Aljazeera. .

Ja, kreeg net smsje uit BKK dat het foute boel is… :frowning:

Zit nu op CNN te kijken…

Foto die ik net uit BKK gesmst kreeg…

**Geen vreedzame oplossing dus,

** BANGKOK - Het Thaise leger is woensdag met gepantserde wagens het kampement van de zogeheten roodhemden in het zakencentrum van Bangkok binnengevallen. Doel van de actie is het kordon rond het kamp met oppositionele betogers te verstevigen, zo maakte de minister van Defensie bekend.

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Volgens ooggetuigen zijn door de militaire actie twee mensen om het  leven  gekomen. Ook zou er sprake zijn van gewonden.  

In alle vroegte verzamelden de troepen zich nabij het kamp van de roodhemden. Enige tijd later vielen de eerste militairen de barricade bij de ingang van het kamp aan. De betogers staken de daargelegen autobanden in brand, waardoor een dikke, zwarte rookwolk boven Bangkok kwam te hangen.
De overheid heeft de betogers in de loop van de dag nogmaals opgeroepen hun verzet te staken. De roodhemden gaven geen gehoor aan het verzoek en herhaalden dat ze stand zullen houden. „We gaan nergens heen. We blijven hier en bidden”, aldus Kwanchai Praipana, leider van de roodhemden.
Het is nog onduidelijk of de militairen dieper het kamp zullen binnendringen. De overheid liet weten dat de belegering nog de hele dag zal duren. Volgens schattingen zijn er tussen de drieduizend en vijfduizend mensen op het terrein, dat al twee maanden het toneel is van verzet tegen de huidige regering.
Thaksin Shinawatra, de verdreven oud-premier die de roodhemden aanhangen, liet weten dat de handelwijze van de overheid ontevreden burgers tot een guerrillastrijd zal drijven. „Er is een theorie dat militair optreden wrok kan veroorzaken. Verbolgen mensen worden guerrilla’s”, aldus Thaksin, die verder zei dat hij geen struikelblok was in de onderhandelingen tussen de regering en de roodhemden.

Thaksin heeft zijn aanhangers in het hele land opgeroepen om in opstand te komen en heeft opgeroepen tot totale chaos in het land.
Als dit maar niet uitmondt in een burgeroorlog :frowning:

Btw, kan iemand de website van de BKK Post bereiken ???

Nee gaat niet en The Nation ook niet, maar vrij goede update’s via Twiiter van veena_NT.

http://twitter.com/veen_NT

In Khon Kaen schijn men ook bezig te zijn.

**Thailand: Troops storm protest zone **

                           **The military uses armored carriers and water cannons  in an attempt to disperse anti-government demonstrators from their  encampment in downtown Bangkok.**

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An armored vehicle breaks through a barricade during an operation to evict anti-government “Red Shirt” protesters from their encampment in Bangkok, Thailand. (Fayaz Kabli, Reuters / May 18, 2010)

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                    After days of amassing troops, warning civilians  to flee and skirmishing with anti-government protesters, Thailand's  army broke through barricades of tires and bamboo staves at daybreak  Wednesday in a bid to end by force a two-month occupation of Bangkok's  glitzy downtown property. Amid clouds of tear gas, armored personnel  carriers moved toward the barriers that demonstrators erected in recent  weeks to protect their mile-square protest enclave in the capital's  prime shopping district. Nearby, other troops fired water cannons and  combed through the tire and bamboo mounds they'd overrun, searching for  explosives.

It was not immediately clear whether this was a final push or an interim step designed to flush out women and children from the protest zone occupied by the “Red Shirts,” as the demonstrators call themselves. Even as armored vehicles pushed down the flimsy barriers, most troops initially remained outside the protest zone.
The estimated 3,000 to 5,000 protesters, many drawn from rural, poor and working-class groups, have demanded the immediate resignation of Prime Minister Abhisit Vejjajiva, the dissolution of parliament and new elections to replace a government that they believe is illegitimate.
“Why would I go home?” said Sakorn Rangkalin, 54, a homemaker from Kalasin province, shortly before the assault started. “The Cabinet is still not dissolved.”
Bangkok Gov. Sukhumbhand Paribatra told a Thai TV station on Wednesday morning that four trucks were prepared to evacuate women and children from Pathumwanaram Temple, inside the protest zone, where they had taken refuge.
Evacuation was complicated, he said, by reports that bombs had been placed at the temple’s entrance. He warned Bangkok residents to stay in their homes in case the unrest spread to other areas.
In preparation for Wednesday’s military push, the government had announced a weeklong holiday in Bangkok lasting through Friday and cut off power, water, food and cellphone coverage to the protest area, although the cordon wasn’t airtight. Street fighting over the last week has killed at least 39 people, mostly civilians, and wounded hundreds.
Television footage showed soldiers crouched in the shadow of armored vehicles beneath overpasses as plumes of dark black smoke from ignited tires rose nearby and ambulances raced into the area.
The operation will continue throughout the day “to make sure that security officers can provide security and safety to the public at large,” government spokesman Panitan Wattanayagorn said on national television, and is designed “to secure the parameter in several locations in Bangkok.”
He added that Red Shirt leaders appeared to have slipped past the military cordon.
Securing such a large area represents a significant challenge for the army and police, security experts said, and ideally they would want to control as much of the area as possible before darkness, when they would be more vulnerable to snipers and ambush.
“The longer it lasts, the more resistance they’ll face,” said David Tuck, Bangkok-based research director with Spectrum OSO Asia, a risk analysis firm. “If it gets dark, things could get nasty.”
Starting the assault in the morning, rather than attempting to surprise protesters while sleeping, allows the army to better see what’s going on, analysts said, amid hope there would be less confusion and fewer panicked protesters caught in crossfire.
Red Shirt supporters expressed concern Wednesday about the risk of such casualties. “This is a very violent reaction on people protesting in a nonviolent approach,” said Suda Rangkupan, a linguistics professor at Chulakorn University who has joined the protests and given supportive speeches. “It’s very cruel, very terrible.”
But she and others vowed to fight on. “Even though we lose to the guns, the minds and hearts for democracy keep going on,” Rangkupan said.
Peter Warr, executive director of the Australian National University’s National Thai Studies Center, said authorities ultimately decided they had had enough.

                                                                                                                                                                                                    "This is very costly and really disrupts the  city, and there's a limit to how long the government can allow it," he  said. "The problem with negotiating is that you don't know who you're  negotiating with. There's no Red Shirt leadership structure."Analysts  said the army's apparent go-slow approach could reduce casualties, but  the army also risks losing the initiative if anti-government protesters  regroup outside the protest zone, giving rise to a multifront conflict. 

One strategy might see the army try to push most of the protesters into the central Ratprasong area, where the main protest stage is located, at which point they could be disarmed and dispersed.
Although popular support for the Red Shirts remains high in many rural areas, many Bangkok residents who initially empathized with them have grown weary of the chaos, transportation disruptions, shuttered shops and canceled business meetings.

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                    "From my heart, I am sympathetic to the Red  side, but I want this to stop, it's created many problems with  businesses all over," said Kun Jamsai, a travel agent in Bangkok's  Banglamphu district. "You see the news every day, and you see gunshots,  bombs. It's too much for Bangkok."As people waited to see how hard  and fast the military would move into the protest area, most could only  hope that casualties would be minimized.

“I don’t want violence, I just wish both sides could talk to make something better for our country,” Kun said, adding that she’s wary of using violence to stop the protests. “Now, I don’t know how it will end.”
Tran reported from Bangkok, Thailand, and Magnier from New Delhi.

Thx voor de link Jan ! Zie nu via die link ook het bericht dat de roodhemden de City Hall in Udon Thani hebben ingenomen… Dit is ECHT foute boel. Word hier niet vrolijk van :frowning:

Schijnt ook dat een aantal leiders van de roodhemden de rallysite snel verlaten hebben…

Ik neem aan dat de toeristen steeds banger worden en weg zullen blijven.

**Niemand kan de toerist zijn veiligheid garanderen.

**Als het conflict zich uitbreidt dan zijn de rapen gaar, aanslagen kun je vrezen op populaire plekken.

Diep triest voor het land en zijn bevolking.

Hoorde net op de radio (3FM/NOS) dat een Nederlandse reporter/verslaggever in zijn schouder is geraakt door een kogel.

**Op de bewuste tweet pag wordt er gesproken dat de reds zich hebben overgegeven.

**Iets bekende of de kinderen en vrouwen veilig zijn.
Wat een zwarte dag , alweer 1.

Mocht ik ooit weer door Bangkok lopen dan zal ik hier altijd aan terug moeten denken.

:chin: Wat een Trieste:crybaby: start van mijn dag met al deze berichten .
Iedereen die daar familie en of vrienden(innen) heeft heel veel sterkte deze dagen.:thailand::cambodia:

Toeristen in Bangkok moeten gewoon binnen blijven vandaag, en NIET de straat opgaan. Momenteel is het niet veilig. Ook rondom Sukhumvit schijnen volgens de berichten veel militairen te zijn.

Bedrijfsongeval, een timmerman slaat zich ook wel eens op de vinger.

Dit zal voor velen van ons zo moeilijk te bevatten zijn. Zo vaak zijn we al in Bangkok geweest en hebben we gelopen op plaatsen waar nu ‘oorlog’ aan de gang is…
Het doet pijn om dit te zien…

Moet zo weer werken, maar zit alleen maar met m’n hoofd in Thailand :frowning: